October 29, 2020

The Council

Proclaiming the truth to the world.

15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him. 16 This is according to all that you asked of the Lord your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.’ 17 The Lord said to me, ‘They have spoken well. 18 I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ 22 When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:15-22)

“Set forth your case, says the Lord; bring your proofs, says the King of Jacob. Let them bring them, and tell us what is to happen. Tell us the former things, what they are, that we may consider them, that we may know their outcome; or declare to us the things to come. Tell us what is to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods; do good, or do harm, that we may be dismayed and terrified” (Isaiah 41:21–23).

Chris Fisher stated in a recent conversation with Justin Wilson that statements like these are hyperbole, idiomatic, or some other form of non-literal means of language. This is equivalent to the ideas that are utilized by Classical Theists to explain the various text that Chris Fisher presents as proof of Open Theism. This is just Open Theists’ anthropomorphisms. The reason these are thought to be non-literal standards is that they don’t “play in the story”. It is hard to imagine God’s challenge to the false gods doesn’t function in Isaiah 40-48 or that the Laws regarding prophets are figurative for whatever purpose. What is it figurative for? So, every time an Open Theists presents the notion that the Bible has false prophecy, they aren’t arguing against classical theism, but Biblical theism!

There were some other points in regard to certain false prophesies in the Old Testament. The main one is concerning the fall of Tyre. This has been discussed before and elsewhere:

http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2018/07/oracle-against-tyre.html

The conversation turned to Christology and Fisher was very critical of the classical Christian claim that Christ has two distinct natures (divine and human). Chris seems to think that very little is different between us and God. Is God just a superhuman?

Further Reads:

Fisher’s Reality