September 19, 2020

The Council

Proclaiming the truth to the world.

Does the Bible teach Ethnic Nationalism?

Here is a conversation from twitter:

William the Conqueror Returned:

The Bible promotes ethnic nationalism, just sayin.
It says God created nations and defines nations as ethnicities. Why would he do that if he didn’t want us to live that way?

TheSire:

You have serious comprehension issues. The Bible doesn’t teach those things.
1. Because non-decedents of Abraham can become a Jew. So, it doesn’t work in the OT.
2. Romans 9. Galatians 3.

William the Conqueror Returned:

Only it does teach those things, read Genesis 10, Genesis 12, Deut 32 and Acts 17. It’s very clear. Anyone could convert to the religion, not everyone could enter the Congregation of the Lord, see Deut 23. That was only by birth. You have comprehension abilities.

TheSire:

So, you think God not allowing eunuchs into the congregations of the LORD is a move towards ethical nationalism? Is there a country of no genitalia? It probably has with reference to cultic worship but it doesn’t entail a national entity. Further, we have those born in forbidden unions(bastards, etc). They aren’t a national entity.

23 “No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

“No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord.

It mentions other groups of people but they are prohibited because their ancestors attacked the Israelites when they requested them to not attack them. It wasn’t because of something inherently better about Jews. It didn’t entail that they weren’t members of the nation:

The verses in this section delineate who may “enter” the assembly of Yahweh. Although the noun “assembly” occurs eleven times in Deuteronomy (referring to the gathering at Sinai [5:22; 9:10; 10:4; 18:16]; at Horeb [31:30]; six times in ch. 23), the expression “the assembly of the LORD” occurs only in this chapter (23:2–3 [2x], 4 [2x], 9). This passage looks forward to the day after the conquest of Canaan when “the assembly of the LORD” will be able to gather together to worship their covenantal Lord. Eligibility to “enter” this assembly indicated that a person was a full citizen of the covenantal nation and was physically whole. The “assembly” was not coextensive with the “nation” of Israel, for the nation, as a political unit, included individuals who were not ethnic Israelites. In other OT passages, this assembly conducts war (Jdg 21:5, 8), crowns a king (1Ki 12:3), adjudicates legal cases (Jer 26:17), worships Yahweh (1Ch 29:20; Joel 2:16), and will participate in the eschatological allocation of land (Mic 2:5). The following verses exclude three categories of people from participation in the assembly of Yahweh for at least some period of time. Keep in mind that this exclusion does not represent eviction from the nation of Israel but ineligibility to participate in certain formal gatherings and at certain places of national worship.

Michael Alan Grisanti. Deuteronomy (Kindle Locations 7468-7478). Zondervan. Kindle Edition.

Secondly, Acts 17 literally contradicts your view as Paul teaches Adamic view of mankind’s origins contrary to their view:

http://spirited-tech.com/Council/index.php/2019/07/23/paul-at-athens/

William the Conqueror Returned:

Maybe try actually reading the versus I told you about? Miss the part about letting foreigners into the Congregation of the Lord? That’s citizenship in case you didn’t know. Acts 17 tells us that God made the bounds of each nation. You really have comprehension problems.

TheSire:

You’re not interacting with what I’ve written in regards to the issue. Especially, my own article where I walk through Acts 17 showing it condemns the ethnic nationalism of their time. So, you’re not being rational. You hardly interacted with my prooftext either as you merely presented spooftext.

William the Conqueror Returned:

You’re ignoring the versus I provided you. Why would I bother with an article that is blatantly wrong from the outset? Acts 17 doesn’t condemn ethnic nationalism at all, it quotes Deut 32 that flat out supports it. You are ignoring the evidence that proves you wrong.

TheSire:

I briefly interact with that thesis and I don’t think it actually alludes to it(it doesn’t quote or cite it). Secondly, it’s consistent with my argument. God can set the boundaries of nations and etc. That doesn’t entail ethnic nationalism. You have to explain that connection. Thirdly, it doesn’t teach ethnic nationalism. Deuteronomy 32 or Acts 17. You have a burden to prove that but Romans 9:1-30 and Gal. 3:28 make you look foolish. Romans 9 teaches that nationality didn’t matter(verses 6-7). In fact, I’ve written on this as well:

http://spirited-tech.com/Council/index.php/2018/02/08/pots-potters-and-flowers/