June 3, 2020

The Council

A modern day council!

The Oriental Canon

 

I had a conversation with some Oriental Orthodox the other day and here were the results:

TheSire:

Alright, other than assuming the validity of the OO church, would you inform me about how you know that your church is correct about their canon?

Jonathyn:

Other than assuming the validity and inspiration of the scriptures, can you establish that you have the correct canon?

TheSire:

My point is that you’re caught in an infinite regress. You maintain a church method for discerning the canon but from what method did you derive that was the way to discern the canon?

I wish to take a stab at your question:

“Other than assuming the validity and inspiration of the scriptures, can you establish that you have the correct canon?”

I would say that we couldn’t because the Christian worldview in the Bible makes sense of all reality. But I don’t think this is analogous because the Church itself doesn’t render all of reality intelligible. That’s my idea for now. I also think our knowledge of God is different than the knowledge of God. Our knowledge is derivative from b divine revelation but our knowledge of the truth of revelation is non-inferential.

Coptic.Bola:

The issue is that the TAG argument gives you a need for a coherent special revelation. There is no coherent one without the church

TheSire:

Special revelation is coherent. I would suppose the early Christians would need to have read it and understood it as coherent to accept the truths of the Gospel. Without such you make faith irrational.

Coptic.Bola:

not really
the teaching of the church was the establishment of coherencyTheSire:
If you believe that, but you’re basically stating that these men became Christian without even considering whether it was coherent or not.

Coptic.Bola:

Not really

Either they were jews or gentiles who accepted Judaism with the messiah

TheSire:

Where the Jews or gentiles with rational motivations or irrational?

Coptic.Bola:

rational

TheSire:

That means the Church had to make deliberations and reason that the message of Christ is rational. That it isn’t all just the crazed ideas of a desert person. Human rationality can’t be dependent on the Chruch if they are dependent on it. Rationality is presupposed by the church. Rationality doesn’t presuppose the church. Rationality presupposes the Triune God. 

Coptic.Bola:

Yup im off the train

TheSire:

I’m aware but I just don’t see a flaw in that idea. Are you going to make the Transcendental argument for the church?

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