Why I’m not Eastern Orthodox

Eastern Orthodoxy is a non-existent issue in the western world. It has a few pockets in this section of the world. It is mainly popular amongst people on the internet with “True-Church” Syndrome. This isn’t a complete list of reasons why I’m not Eastern Orthodox but a few reasons why I reject it. I’m not an expert on Eastern Orthodoxy but I have interacted with some of them.

1. The Gospel:

Many EOs deny that we are justified by faith in the way Protestants teach. They often maintain similar views about soteriology to Roman Catholics. That baptism infuses God’s grace into individuals and that other acts like the sacraments. They think grace is a substance and not in reference to Divine favor.

http://spirited-tech.com/COG/2017/12/30/sola-fide/

2. Metaphysics:

In Eastern Orthodoxy, there is something called the Essence-Energy distinction. This is how they explain the immanence of God. God’s essence is transcendent but his uncreated energies are imminent and that is why we can speak about theophanies as if God is there in his essence. It arose in the background of the debate about Hesychasm. This distinction is to explain how we have experiential knowledge of God. The historical analogy that is used is the sun and the rays of the sun. There are two objections to this idea. The first being that it makes God unknowable:

Orthodox says that “The [essence/energy] distinction allows us to experience God, really and truly,” but this is an assertion which is contradicted by the distinction itself.
Either the energies are identical with the essence or distinct from the essence. If identical, then in what sense is there a distinction? If identical, then what’s the function of the distinction?
But if the energies are not identical with the essence, then what we experience is not what God is really and truly like, but something else. And we’re in no position to compare the energies with the essence to judge the degree of correspondence.

http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2007/08/energetic-processions-of-quaternity.html

The article also quotes Robert Letham mentioning the quaternity objection to the doctrine:

“The questions to be addressed to these developments are whether, firstly, a yawning chasm has not been opened between the economic Trinity and the immanent Trinity, and secondly whether there is not a tendency towards a quaternity—the unknowable divine essence plus the three revealed persons. Along these lines, Fairbairn suggests that the distinction tends to create ‘a crisis of confidence in God’s character. If we insist that we can know nothing of God’s inner life…then can we really be confident that God’s outer life is consistent with his inner life” R. Letham, Through Western Eyes: Eastern Orthodoxy: A Reformed Perspective (Mentor 2007), 234.

Some Eastern Orthodox folk hold to a form of panentheism(or Neoplatonism). That seems to result in pantheism and other issues regarding ethics:

http://spirited-tech.com/COG/2017/10/12/panentheism-and-christian-theology/

I’ve objected to Catholicism about Eternal Generation. The issue is worse on Eastern Orthodox thought. While they maintain the creeds original teaching they ascertain more issues. In Eastern Orthodoxy, the Father is the fons deitas(Fountain of Deity). The persons are generated by the Father causing the other persons of the Trinity to possess the divine essence. The paradigm is that the Father is unoriginate and underived. The Son and Spirit are derived and originate.

The issue with the Eastern Orthodox view of eternal generation is that it fails to solve the issue it was invented to solve. It is supposed to distinguish between the person of the Godhead. The issue is that it only distinguishes the Father from the Son and Spirit. The underived from the derived. The unoriginate from the originate. The issue is that it leaves the Son indistinguishable from the Holy Spirit.

It also provides an exegetical issue for them. They argue that since the Son was sent by the Father that means the Son must have been eternally generated by the Son(John 3:34-35; 6:38;17:1-5;20:21,1 John 4:14). The issue is that the Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit(John 14-16). Why the double standard?

I’ve dealt with other issues with Eternal Generation elsewhere:

http://spirited-tech.com/COG/2018/09/29/is-eternal-generation-biblical/

3. Epistemology:

The issues with the epistemology of EO is the same with RCC.

http://spirited-tech.com/COG/2017/09/09/clashing-with-catholicism/

Some Orthodox apologist go as far to reject the historical-grammatical method. I’m not sure that that position is coherent.

http://spirited-tech.com/COG/2018/07/02/presuppositionalism-and-historical-grammatical-hermeneutics/

4. Original Sin:

Eastern Orthodox reject the concept of Original Sin in favor of a view called Ancestral Sin. That being Adam and Eve were guilty of their own sins alone and that they passed to progeny death and the inclination to sin. They basically share the same view as Leighton Flowers:

Ancestral sin has a specific meaning. The Greek word for sin in this case, amartema, refers to an individual act indicating that the Eastern Fathers assigned full responsibility for the sin in the Garden to Adam and Eve alone. The word amartia, the more familiar term for sin which literally means “missing the mark”, is used to refer to the condition common to all humanity (Romanides, 2002). The Eastern Church, unlike its Western counterpart, never speaks of guilt being passed from Adam and Eve to their progeny, as did Augustine. Instead, it is posited that each person bears the guilt of his or her own sin. The question becomes, “What then is the inheritance of humanity from Adam and Eve if it is not guilt?” The Orthodox Fathers answer as one: death. (I Corinthians 15:21) “Man is born with the parasitic power of death within him,” writes Fr. Romanides (2002, p. 161). Our nature, teaches Cyril of Alexandria, became “diseased…through the sin of one” (Migne, 1857-1866a). It is not guilt that is passed on, for the Orthodox fathers; it is a condition, a disease.

http://stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin

This is just another occasion where Eastern Orthodox thought just abandons the Biblical witness concerning the events that occur in the garden. The result is that Eastern Orthodox have a false anthropology.

http://spirited-tech.com/COG/2017/04/05/original-sin-inherited-guilt/

http://spirited-tech.com/COG/2017/04/14/only-punish-the-innocent/

http://spirited-tech.com/COG/2017/04/05/original-sin-is-unjust/

The Atonement:

Many Eastern Orthodox reject penal substitutionary atonement as a later doctrine made up by Anselm.

http://spirited-tech.com/COG/2018/10/05/before-anselm/

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I'm a Christian, Trinitarian, rational scientific anti-realist, Baptist, Van Tilian, Covenant theology, Inerrancy, Substance dualist, Classical theist, Protestant, Reformed, and a particularist. Here is a place where I take information from many different sources and place them in a useful format. My influences are Steve Hays, Dr. James Anderson, Dr. Greg Welty, Dr. Vern Poythress, Dr. John Frame, R. C. Dozier, Dr. Greg Bahnsen, Ronald W. Di Giacomo, R. C. Sproul, Dr. James White, Dr. Paul Helm, Dr. Jonathan Sarfati, Paul Manata, Turretinfan, Milton Friedman, James A. Gibson, and others. " You're one of the most intricate thinkers I know so if you believe something I would like to understand why and be challenged to think about it." Tyler Vela I'd like to thank Vincent Ransom for the profile picture.

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